You won't be so lucky. Hey everyone! After receiving numerous request to do a video on the Center-To-Edge (CTE) aiming system, I studied it for about week. I'm pretty sure he was from the Albuquerque neck of the woods. Jan 20, 2013 #63 Patrick Johnson said:I will be at Q-masters on the final Saturday of the US Open. Perfect Aim, CTE, TOI, Hal Houle's systems come to mind. Search titles only. To read the pool playing tutorial for the Hal Houle Point and Pivot System, click the link to go on to the full pool playing tips article. By: Search Advanced search…HEY GUYS MY 2 CENTS the CTE devotees we know who you are EVERYONE ELSE. Search titles only. When you slip stroke, you are essentially stopping the cue during the back stroke, and quickly sliding your hand back further on the cue, grabbing the cue. I will use every comment by you that fits that goal and there are many. The blue line is the initial line up method that you would manually have come to with just eying the shot. A few are not pleasant from those that do not. A: I studied aiming systems under Hal Houle, who invented many aiming system variants. I also reviewed newspaper clippings from The New York Times, and I've drawn a. Share your videos with friends, family, and the world Hal Houle would have been so very proud, and I myself am proud for you and Hal. Conversely I have shown aiming systems to some good players and had them give me a confused look and decide that they didn't want to bother with it EVEN IF they agreed that it might help them. And in fact I do credit Hal Houle and Stan and everyone working on objective aiming for keeping me interested in playing. There is a link for an interview with Jimmy and Rick Owens, his relative, just before he passed. Place the bridge hand down with the cue along this line. take the time go to the table and try it someone suggested. What the old gent said to me is pretty much what Terry is saying in his video. The 15 - 30 - and 45. From what I know of the Hal Houle point and pivot system, it has to do with actually pivoting the cue itself slightly. Hal Houle developed over 20 aiming systems that had nothing to do with contact points or fractions. It also had absolutely nothing to do with CONTACT POINTS. . If you look at most shots they can be grouped into one of these three angles in a general sense. For those who think he's guilty of false advertising and claims, you're. Stan Shuffett, a pool player and instructor from Kentucky, took deep interest in CTE and refined it to his own system known as CTE Pro/One. There is no way in this universe that Hal Houle, Stan Shuffett and the countless other instructors teaching objective aiming methods created non-working purely psychological mind tricks just to mess with your sense of order. From what I know of the Hal Houle point and pivot system, it has to do with actually pivoting the cue itself slightly. . Dec 25, 2014 #7 there is no way to calculate such a thing. By: Search Advanced search…Hal Houle may've been the first to use the word "visual" as a noun relating to pool shots, just as he or Stan was probably the first to use the words "visual perception" in relation to visualizing pool shots. every top player uses the same pro aiming system. Sport. . " Meeting Hal made me addicted to information. Hal Houle figured it out over 70 years ago. ". i teach professional aiming systems. If there were 10. E. you have nothing to lose. At the end of the day Aiming Systems are being proven to work and accepted by more and more people. If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. CTE has been around for decades and misunderstood by most everyone. Using your attacks to further the reach of CTE is merely a way to turn your evil. i do not charge you for anything, it is simple enough that i can teach you over the phone. that includes reyes, souquet, archer, ortman, bustamante, and on and on. (dont worry im not bragging, i still miss cuts like its no ones buisness) The reason for this is early on, someone told me if the shot is straight in. They could care less about 90/90 or the SEE System. Hals's version started with an "inside cue tip" placement on the CB aiming to the same three spots on the OB as this guy and then pivoting back to center. By: Search Advanced search…Throw 15 balls out on the table and start wherever you wish with a one rail or more bank. Still doing it. cookie man AzB Silver Member. 3 angles for all shots, on any size pool table, including snooker & bar tables. My loss for sure. The step by step process will be revealed. He was born on November 4, 1931, in Darby, Pennsylvania. . Hal Houle I totally agree. The man genuinely wanted to share his knowledge with as many people as he could and did it for free. B. I'm told that Hal Houle recognises this and recommends the. Silver Member. If you want to learn more about these and other -shot aiming systems, seecut the . Mary Lou Houle 04/11/1930 - 11/21/2022Mary Lou Houle, resident of Toledo, Ohio, passed away November 21, 2022 at the age of 92. He has posted his phone number -- the new one in Pennsylvania (I think). Even Mother Teresa and Ghandi have detractors. I'm pretty sure he was from the Albuquerque neck of the woods. . Stan originally got the idea from Hal Houle who developed a number of aiming systems over the course of his lifetime. 5" corner pocket (less from closer, more from farther away). In my opinion if you HONESTLY wanted to learn CTE then. Search titles only. By: Search Advanced search…Some of the personalities go back 15 years or more where we had the same disagreements about Hal Houle's "3 angles" fractional system on RSB. There is an aiming system called "CTE" (center to edge) originally conceived by Hal Houle. There are players that swear by them, and just as many that say they don't work. Whether it be Hal Houle’s Center-to-Edge, Stan Shuffett’s Pro1 or Ron Vitello’s 90/90, offset and pivot systems afford players objective and repeatable methods of ball-pocketing (without the guesswork of ghost ball or other traditional methods. In another pool forum they have discussed for at least thirty pages of threads, Hal Houle's aiming system. Started playing in 1934. I watched a great match between Cowboy Jimmy Moore and Wimpy Luther Lassiter that was on Classic ESPN the other day. It was posted here about 6. . M is a by-product of Hal Houle's teaching. Vahmurka. left side of shaft to right left and right side of the shaft to go right. By: Search Advanced search…This is CTE video of the day #2 (48) - CTE CONTROVERSY Regulation 2 1/4" balls being shot into 2 1/2" pockets with reducers. “Innovator” might be a better descriptor for Hal. The main reason why CTE is COMPLETE BULLSHIT (and, I’m sure, made up as somebody’s joke to show how dumb people are), is that there’s no discussion in it. The Hal Houle Point and Pivot system is a billiard aiming system that uses the geometry, layout, and design of a pool table, as well as some common assumptions to help you determine the appropriate spot on the object ball to strike with the cue ball. A CTE/PRO ONE video is coming! The video will present the exact visual nature of CTE. After watching multiple. The quality was amazing and I can’t wait to take pics in these two piece sets. Your mind’s eye can easily perceive each of the 500 shots referenced above as ‘one’. I think asking someone about contact points would be like asking them the answer to x + y = 4. I just wanted to emphasize to some of the open minded around here that Houle was dead on the money with his diagnosis for this aiming thing and that old 'fraction thing' of Mosconi's has long been dead in the water. Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. I doubt that Stan's defining and refining will change any of that no matter how exact CTE/Pro One is. What's this fixation with aiming? It's a personal thing. Hugo Houle (born 1990-09-27 in Sainte-Perpétue) is a professional road racing cyclist from Canada, currently riding for Israel - Premier Tech. I watched all dvds I listed above and they are some good and some bad. S. Anyone that wants to give this an honest try, please do so and report back to this post. Just sayin'. First he told me to forget everything I knew about shooting pool. It's the method, not the final position. My bad. A. Examples include Hal Houle’s 3angle system- , CTE, and SAM. To Hal Houle for seeking me out in Denver and introducing me to aiming systems. My name is Hal Houle. go! the ones i seen confused me, im making big leaps in my pool game this yr, so why not take it further if i can and actually learn something lolSearch titles only. What they have figured out works and for some reason that bothers you. Hal, what he created, and those who followed will live forever. ) For this column I've also spoken to BCA instructor Tom Simpson, who graciously put me in contact with Houle. I found a post from 2009 from someone who said Hal Houle told them the guy was an awesome player from out of Cochrans, another was the Ripleys Believe it or not post in one of Bob Byrnes books about the 180 ball run. By: Search Advanced search…That obviously changes the point of contact along the NISL, which in turn results in a different angle after contact. this is what makes systems work is the. you aim the left quarter, center and right quarter of the CB (the "3. I have to say that Hal Houle gave me the aiming perspective that I use about 90 percent of the time. The Sport Palace was a unique place for sure. Hal Houle has many systems, so you start from a false premise. Instruction & Ask the pros. Glad you had a chance to see a real pool room. By: Search Advanced search…I'm going to explain how to shoot this shot into the upper right corner pocket using real CTE. Search titles only. According to both the inventor of CTE (Hal Houle) and Stan himself, Stan Shuffet’s CTE Pro One only works because the table has 2x1 dimensions. . The 15 - 30 - and 45. instructors do not have a clue about aiming systems. I believe. Joey: But what is your system to aim? Efren: I aim for pocket. ) I will be more than happy. As has been discussed from time to time (a euphemism for ad nauseam), fractional aiming systems would appear to require an adjustment method for shots that don't fall exactly into the categories of half-ball hit (center-to-edge) or the other general aim guides. Anyone who's watched me, talked to me on these boards, etc. Since I first met him in July 2007, I felt as though I wasted 15 years of my pool life. Therefore a cue ball has 360 ticks and an object ball has 360 ticks at their respective circumferences. I came into this multi-decade argument a few months ago after having learned basic CTE from Hal years ago. He truly was one of a kind who made pool his lifetime achievement in so many ways. By: Search Advanced search…Ron V. Aiming ConversationSearch titles only. I was very lucky yesterday to spend a day visiting Hal Houle. Hal helped so many people over the years never asking for a dime for his time. hal houle. It is looked upon as extrordinary, but it is a duplicate. Stan's previous occupation was that of a teacher and he is a natural at teaching pool. Hal Houle learned that through CTE a player can quickly tap into the purity of aiming. The fact is that all systems which work will end up with the player in the SAME place which is lined up correctly. Several thousand players have been trained and over 200 new instructors produced since 1995 through the National Billiard Academy. Well, It looks like the moderators moved the "How to Aim Pool Shots (HAPS)" thread to the "Aiming Conversation" forum. HOULEHarold G. Hal Houle had ways of explaining and doing it and we definitely know where you're coming from when his name is mentioned. By: Search Advanced search…Secret Aiming Systems ™ Coach (THE designated successor to Hal Houle, inventor of many of the Aiming Systems) Professor: Billiard University; Certified PAT ™ Examiner (the Playing Ability Test) Founder: Elephant Balls, Ltd. I was very lucky yesterday to spend a day visiting Hal Houle. By: Search Advanced search…Colin Colenso, I'm reposting these pictures from the "mathematical aiming system" thread you created, because they are incredibly relevant to resolving the pivot system arguments. Silver Member. points") with either edge of the OB is the simplest way to think of it, but you can use several combinations of the fourths on both balls to. The pro's answer would be 4 + 0 = 4. It was what got his mind thinking about what we see on pool balls and how CTE came to be. . In light of DCP's thread, I'm curious to what everyone thinks about what realistic goals a player who is serious about the game should set? And also a. Well beyond the life of the lemming tribe. Hale played high school basketball at Jordan High School in Sandy, Utah from 1960 to 1962 and won a state championship. . Also let me know if you disagree with any of the existing. The following was passed on to me by someone who was there in the loop and a close friend of Hal. I'm told that Hal Houle recognises this and recommends the adjustment method diagrammed and described below. i do not charge you for anything, it is simple enough that i can teach you over the phone. The one we've heard about here is the. The Sailor's aiming system, which I detail in my book, is to me the only accurate way to aim at a pool ball. If anyone knows what it is supposed to be, then I. Nothing any more complicated than those 3 lines. " Hal's greatest joy was. A key factor in CTE is that the shooter learns to largely disengage his conscious mind from the aiming process. Conversely I have shown aiming systems to some good players and had them give me a confused look and decide that they didn't want to bother with it EVEN IF they agreed that it might help them. Too bad and bullshit if that's the mindset. See this image: The pivot point is the pink dot on the cue. . Both are deadly ways to pocket balls, contrary to what has been claimed by a small. I've been trying to do this exact way how Stan Shuffett explained in his video which I don't have anymore. That "7 fractions" stuff is total BALONEY and I have no idea where that got pulled out of. Gulfport, Mississippi. I didnt locate the photo until the first editions were already printed. Then after I got home. Jul 15, 2008 #8 Bval Use The Aiming System That Efren Reyes Uses. Was great to hear his stories. You can go past center to get to outside . He never charged for lessons, often given over the phone. EVER allow Fast Larry to post on AZ under his name with your consent, approval, and blessing from now until the day you leave AZ or. He showed me quite a bit about pool. This is an EXACT aim. Houle, speaking of CTE's primary 3 aiming points (15, 30, 45 deg, aka 1/4b fractions): "Your only requirement is to recognize whether your shot is a 15, 30, or 45° angle. Harold Houle, now 85, said the time he spent with Greenleaf came during the late 1940s, or possibly in 1950. Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. . Hal was an eccentric guy who would call you by phone while you were at a table and talk you through his various methods of using CTE while also regaling you of stories about his buddy Ralph Greenleaf. By: Search Advanced search…In your best interpretation of a professional pool player or professional instructor, PLEASE DEFINE FEEL IN AIMING. There were so many that were disrespectful and that is one if the things I despise about AZB. It has NEVER been enforced on those members who have free reign to say whatever they want negatively or disparagingly about Hal Houle, Stan Shuffett, CTE, Shishkabob, and students and usersJUST FINISHED reading mosconis autobiography for the tenth time. Hal Houle . I've always been eager to hear anything that Stan had to say, especially when it comes to pool. And I would have continued to skip them if Hal Houle hadn't asked me to meet him in Denver and graciously donated some of his time to teach me some of methods. 5 = 4. His best results are winning a stage in. . Note: I'm not saying that Hal came up with the light theory. Whether it be Hal Houle’s Center-to-Edge, Stan Shuffett’s Pro1 or Ron Vitello’s 90/90, offset and pivot systems afford players objective and repeatable methods of ball-pocketing (without the guesswork of ghost ball or other traditional methods. that includes reyes, souquet, archer, ortman, bustamante, and on and on. In addition to Hal Houle being attacked and his work ridiculed by the anti-CTE saviors for the rest of mankind, the most vilified person in the history of pool is the person so intrigued by Hal's thinking and creations that he wanted to finally solve the riddle, and has, is Stan Shuffett. ) For this column I've also spoken to BCA instructor Tom Simpson, who graciously put me in contact with Houle. . 5 years ago. The methods that Hal Houle teaches are the most exact and precise ways to aim that I have ever seen. . Daughter of the late Anton and Elizabeth Heinsen. you have nothing to lose. Hal Houle. A. he did the same thing to hal houle. It's this period of time that Jimmy Moore incorporated his pivot aiming technique. THE 3 LINES. If the dimensions are other than 2x1, logically, then CTE will no longer work. If there were 10. Most would say 2 + 2 = 4, others 1 + 3 = 4, 3 + 1 = 4 or 1. In another pool forum they have discussed for at least thirty pages of threads, Hal Houle's aiming system. I realized. i usually use this aim point i have three pattern like picture below in aiming OB to pocket but sometimes i nearly make a shot sometimes undercut/overcut a. Recognizing. Hal is 83 and has forgotten more about pool than I will ever know. He welcomes inquiries and does not charge for his advice. pj chgo . Hal understood what they were doing in order to connect with the angles that lead to pockets even if they had no clue. . If anybody isn't convinced about their motivations at this point spanning almost 2 decades, they either have blinders on or are a part of the Johnson/Figueroa gang. I reside in Russia and. SHISHKABOB is similar to CTE in that there are 3 spots to aim at like CTE. These guys want to act like it's supposed to be some magical event that Stan claims makes the ball. Hal Houle/Family I think Hal is and was a great teacher- I have only learned over the phone- his cte stuff. A chat with Master Instructor Stan Shuffett today reveals this :thumbup2:: Stan says. TATE AzB Gold Mensch. Instruction & Ask the pros. I am aiming base on the hal houle system but using the edge of shaft to aiming point. . instead of you nose fitting up into the bridge of the frame - by turning. Yes, the process is VISUAL and pivot based with VERY strong math and geometric support. According to both the inventor of CTE (Hal Houle) and Stan himself, Stan Shuffet’s CTE Pro One only works because the table has 2x1 dimensions. Aiming ConversationStan's Truth series illuminates the secrets of CTE that Hal Houle purposefully failed to provide when he first discussed this aiming system. Hal said he could probably teach me his aiming system in 15 minutes. That "7 fractions" stuff is total BALONEY and I have no idea where that got pulled out of. this came about with lateral thinking - thinking far outside the box by hal houle and then stan shuffett. . Instruction & Ask the pros. Silver Member. By: Search Advanced search…23 years ago Hal Houle threw out a claim and teaser on an early internet group called Rec. Hal Houle Point and Pivot System. My name is Hal Houle. On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. And let us not forget about the written rules laid out my Mike in the Aiming Forum. No personal. Yes, I aim to put ball in pocket. Stan took it beyond the pivot by making it a true visual system which is Pro1. Ron Vitello also teaches one that is dubbed 90/90 which is also incredibly precise and accurate. Ask The InstructorI'm pretty sure he was from the Albuquerque neck of the woods. Obviously CTE was one of them and Shiskabob was another. as long as the thread stays alive, and you post. Cherished mother of David Morse, Kathleen (Mike) Morse, the late Sam Morse, the late Dean Morse, and the late Glen Morse. By: Search Advanced search…So perhaps if it bugs you then skipping the threads would be the best thing to do. It was posted here about 6. . . And I listened. it's magic. Once he showed me which bulb and where on the object ball, it magically went in the hole. From the very first ball i. I watched all dvds I listed above and they are some good and some bad. Barbara Houle. . poolguppy AzB Silver Member. Hal Houle Point and Pivot System by Billiards Forum Editor's Desk | Sep 30, 2014 | Aiming and Execution Tutorials for Billiards New Post - Hal Houle Point and Pivot SystemA new post has been published titled "Hal Houle Point and Pivot System". Here's another juicy secret I call Pivot Aim, used by Johnny Archer and Efren Reyes, and taught by me, Hal Houle and others to an elite few before this article. description:. There is a link for an interview with Jimmy and Rick Owens, his relative, just before he passed. You have to understand this was back in the day of land lines, 411, and telephone directories and if you were listed anyone could get your phone number. For the newer amongst you who have been reading about Hal Houle and his systems, here is a description that is I believe in his own words. . 11, I show that these aims are equivalent to 3/4-, 1/2-, and 1/4-ball-hits and the 15- and 45° angles. . 1434. Stan has spent the last 15 years learning those secrets and has explained them. #2. . points") with either edge of the OB is the simplest way to think of it, but you can use several combinations of the fourths on both balls to. Inventor: Elephant Practice Balls and Beautiful Balls ® (used on ESPN) Inventor: The Stroke Groover®Search titles only. JOEY AGUZIN Feb 17, 2003, 1:13:44 PM to Well, I haven't confirmed this rumor but have it on good authority that a well know and RESPECTED Master BCA instructor will be. Thankfully, Hal sent a private email inviting me His credentials are very impressive, with Pro player being one of his accomplishments. . Since the book teaches us that a 15 inside and a 30 outside are interchangeable, if there's some lingering doubt which one to utilize, we're on safe ground in shooting it with a 30 outside. If you would like a copy, email me at The answers I received, from Houle followers, defied the laws of geometry and, as such, were absurd. Hal is 83 and has forgotten more about pool than I will ever know. All of Hal's systems used the 3 line fractions. Some players took as long as 6 seconds before pulling. Started playing in 1934. His gem being Center To Edge. He must have been up in his 80's; not sure. According to both the inventor of CTE (Hal Houle) and Stan himself, Stan Shuffet’s CTE Pro One only works because the table has 2x1 dimensions. JB CASES 21 videos 45,079 views Last updated on Mar 16, 2021 Play all Shuffle 1 0:27 DrDaves-Test JB CASES • 15K views • 13 years ago 2 9:20 Why Ghost. So yesterday, I watched the first several videos of Stan Shuffett's CTE Pro-1 series. GaryB AzB Silver Member. Houle, speaking of CTE's primary 3 aiming points (15, 30, 45 deg, aka 1/4b fractions): "Your only requirement is to recognize whether your shot is a 15, 30, or 45° angle. Still doing it. every top player uses the same pro aiming system. On the first occasion I spoke to him for a while, and then I played on the adjacent table while he schooled a couple people for several hours. S. View more. I had a lesson fron Stan Shuffet and have had a phone conversation Hal Houle. Hal said he could probably teach me his aiming system in 15 minutes. Just reading the 1st chapter brings back so many memories of my teachings with Hal. Sep 18, 2014. . . Looking forward to some positive recollections of Hal and his theories and methods. It was posted here about 6. that includes reyes, souquet, archer, ortman, bustamante, and on and on. I was a pretty good friend to Hal for over 20 years. Freddie <~~~ like Farmer’s Insurance . . I want to credit Hal rightly so don't confuse Houle's Pivot Aim with his controversial fractions and degrees aim system. Hal Houle's Aiming Center to Edge etc. . i have a comment which will go something like this---many years ago there was a man named hal houle--houle as in pool he used to say! he posted on rsb to the dismay of most- an aiming system - boasting of 6 angles . S. It is not CTE but it IS a Hal Houle aiming system called SHISKABOB. If the graph below actually represents the variety of. Also, now in effect, all. I have been playing pool since I was seven, shining shoes in bars, I'm 63. The pro's answer would be 4 + 0 = 4. Let me know which one was your favorite in the comments! I’m really looking forward to making more micro two piece hauls with my friends so if you liked this one make sure to let me know :) My favorite Bikini from this haul was the last one! Check out Dare and Codee!Hal Houle was without a doubt the greatest LATERAL THINKER in history when it came to POOL AIMING SYSTEMS! He developed over 20 aiming systems for pool and each one was way OUTSIDE THE BOX VISUALLY and in PERFORMANCE. Hal Houle was a very unique individual! Hal was intelligent, had a great wit and lived a long, varied and interesting life. Thanks for taking the time to post, Dr. . Adored wife of the late Harold "Hal" Houle. Dave has CTE on his web-site, also Hal Houle's 3-angle system. I haven't seen any testimonials lately and I got to wondering how Stan's facebook page (aka the impenetrable fortress of solitude) was doing. A. I've met Hal a few times. The step by step process will be revealed. I think asking someone about contact points would be like asking them the answer to x + y = 4. Hal Hale was an American basketball player and coach. . I don't usually visit or participate in forums other than the "Mail Forum," and maybe others are the same way. instructors do not have a clue about aiming systems. 82 m (5 ft 11 + 1 ⁄ 2 in) Weight: 72 kg (159 lb; 11 st 5 lb) Team information; Current team:. And he's had an internet woody on ever since trying to discredit anyone that teaches or promotes any aiming system that is based off of Hal's. Hey everyone, New guy here. As far as systems go, its as good as any, and an excellent place to start. . )From the very first ball i hit with Hal Houle on the other end of the phone . . . One thing that has intrigued me about CTE (not the only thing) is its use of two lines rather than one for shot alignment. He has a beautiful 4 1/2 x 9 Diamond table and light. Oct 12, 2022 #56 phreaticus said:A CTE/PRO ONE video is coming! The video will present the exact visual nature of CTE. well know and RESPECTED Master BCA instructor will be teaching one of Hal. Search titles only. . I know Hal Houle there are only 3 or 4 shots in pool. And by honest try, I mean give it at least 10 tries, hopefully. I'm going to explain how to shoot this shot into the upper right corner pocket using real CTE. By: Search Advanced search…Some of the personalities go back 15 years or more where we had the same disagreements about Hal Houle's "3 angles" fractional system on RSB. May 1, 2023 #254 Dan White said: I think CTE discussion is more interesting that what color chalk do you use or which cue maker screwed somebody over this week, lol. He got it. But he said he understood the concept, so I gave him the okay. Guess the year. S. ” In TP A. I just. you have nothing to lose. Article posted in: Billiards Forum -> Cue Sports -> Pool Playing Tips -> Aiming and Execution Tutorials. . Recently, I've started playing more and. EXACTLY WHAT is the Supposed Phenomenon for Center to Edge 'Aiming'. Call Hal Houle, and he can enlighten you Basically, the last light, or the end of the light falls at the cueball point that is at the center of many of Hal's systems. As per Hal Houle, CTE DOES NOT work with the vision center directly over the actual shot line, or NISL as Stan describes it. . I have been shooting pool off and on for about 25 years, so if I am using one, I would have to assume it is the ghost ball, but I cannot tell.